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Sifu Stier

Re: Finding Bona Fide Shamanic Training
« Reply #10 on: 11 April 2007 »

Native American Shaman?
Posted by: Ghost Dancer

Do you think you are "Indian by heart" or were "an Indian in a past life"? Do you admire native ways and want to incorporate them into your life and do "your own" version of a sweat lodge or a "vision quest"? Have you seen ads, books, and websites that offer to "train you to become a "Native American Shaman" in an easy number of steps, a few days on the weekend, or for a fee? Have you really thought this all the way through? Have you thought about how native people feel about what you might want to do? Please think about these important points before you take that fateful step and expend time, money, and emotional investment:

1. Native people do not believe it is ethical to charge money for any ceremony or teaching.

2. Any who charge you even a penny are not authentic.

3. Native traditionalists believe the only acceptable way to transmit traditional teachings is orally and face-to-face.

4. Learning medicine ways takes decades and must be done with great caution and patience out of respect for the sacred.

5. Any offer to teach you all you need to know in a weekend seminar or two is wishful thinking at best, fraud at worst.

6. These fraudulent operators are not the slightest bit reputable.

7. Women should be extremely wary of any "teacher" who claims physical intimacy is part of an alleged "ceremony".

Most of these fraudulent operators have been caught making complete fantasies of what many non-natives wish natives were like. Another way to say it is that they are outright liars and hoaxers. You probably are asking yourself, "Are any of these people for real and a good way for me to learn?" Please understand the following points about native spiritual ways:

Native belief systems are communal, not focused on the individualís faith like Christianity. Native beliefs are tribal-specific. There is no "generic Indian" form of spirituality. There are as many differences from tribe-to-tribe as there are between Hinduism and the Church of England. No one would think of teaching those two as the same and calling them ""Indo-European," yet many of these fraudulent operators teach a thrown together mishmash of bits and pieces of different beliefs.

Traditional elders are very cautious about changing rituals and mixing different customs, it does happen, of course, but only after lengthy discussions that can take decades. These fraudulent operators are very casual and haphazard in what they do, in a manner that shows they have no understanding of or respect for the sacred. Traditional elders do not believe that any ceremony can be done by anyone who feels like it. Itís that same caution and respect for the sacred. Yet these fraudulent operators will let anyone do their inaccurate version of a ceremony if they have the money.

Vision quests, for example, are intended for young boys age 12 to 14, but boys donít have much money, so these fraudulent operators sell "quests" for hundreds or thousands to mostly middle-aged men and women. There are of course that legitimate representatives of Tribal Ceremony who may help adults with what we call "going on the hill". Only they won't charge you for it.

There is also the matter of telling people they can be shamans and charging them for it. If you were interested in Judaism, would you pay money to someone who said he could make you a rabbi in just one weekend seminar?

Think about the lack of respect these operators show to native people and beliefs, not mention their own followers, by defrauding people. Think also about how it makes it harder for natives and whites to get along when whites have been given an untrue picture of native cultures. We have to learn to get along and we canít do that as long as non-natives give support to operators who push a fraudulent version of what we are like.

We (native people and our supporters) realize that most of you do not know any better, at least not yet, but we hope you learn about these matters from more reputable sources and in a more respectful manner. If it says New Age or Shamanism on the cover, itís not a good source for learning about natives. Find out which authors can be trusted before you pay money to operators who harm us all.

True Ceremonial people are out there. They are likely in your midst, but they seldom wear a banner or make an announcement. They truly believe the Creator will put the right people together at the right time.
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Re: Finding Bona Fide Shamanic Training
« Reply #11 on: 12 April 2007 »


Mitakuye Oyasin.
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Re: Finding Bona Fide Shamanic Training
« Reply #12 on: 12 April 2007 »

I found this thread interesting and informative. I have deep respect for the Native American traditions


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