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The Power of Myth - Joseph Campbell
« on: 11 May 2006 »

"Myth is the secret opening through which the inexhaustible energies of the cosmos pour into human manifestation..." (Joseph Campbell, Hero with a Thousand Faces)

Joseph Campbell is perhaps the par excellence of comparative religionists of the 20th Century...more pop-ishly his book The Hero With A Thousand Faces is credited by George Lucas as the inspiration behind Star Wars (and for sure the original depth did have some philosophic deapth).

His learning was absolutely prodigious.

There is a DVD set called the Power of Myth which was a series of interviews conducted for PBS (with an unfortunately 'american-christian' interviewer but no matter) which is *highly recommended* for anyone interested in the whole topic (and if myth doesn't move you I don't know what will).

One interesting point he makes (in critiquing the western understanding of religion) is what he calls mistaking the denotation for the connotation... a subtle but vital point [for non-native speakers: denote = literal description....connote = imply indirectly].

Another way of putting this is mythos versus logos - elsewhere (and this seems to be JC core theme) it has been argued that the internal truth of religion can be found only from the mythos (the 'finger pointing at the moon').  

Unfortunately since the Renaissance with western culture having moved to the logos (a great success re computers/airplanes etc but perhaps less so spiritually) many religions have gone the same way (at which point one gets nonsense like creationism because the evidence notwithstanding 'it says so in the bible').

A great quote by JC in this context:

"Read myths. They teach you that you can turn inward, and you begin to get the message of the symbols. Read other people's myths, not those of your own religion, because you tend to interpret your own religion in terms of facts -- but if you read the other ones, you begin to get the message."

And finally on his own 'faith' which can be a useful reminder for all of us in terms of 'where to go' in life:

"I don’t have to have faith, I have had experience." - Joseph Campbell explains his maxim to Bill Moyers:

BILL MOYERS: Do you ever have the sense of... being helped by hidden hands?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: All the time. It is miraculous. I even have a superstition that has
grown on me as a result of invisible hands coming all the time - namely, that if you do follow your bliss you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. When you can see that, you begin to meet people who are in your field of bliss, and they open doors to you. I say, follow your bliss and don't be afraid, and doors will open where you didn't know they were going to be.



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Namaste!
« Reply #1 on: 02 June 2006 »

Yes, campbell is one of a too-small group that has a very clear and wonderful scope on the reality of mythology, and how it has been so twisted in modern times!

Myths are NOT 'lies'- as the modern, left-brain, logical humans of our time believes.

It is a method of telling spiritual truths that are pertinent to all of us! It is telling a story that speaks to the Heart, as oppossed to the head.

Another great author, of the same path, is Tom Harpur. You might want to google him, too!

'Follow your Bliss!' (Campbell-of course!)

Grin

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« Reply #2 on: 06 June 2006 »

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'Follow your Bliss!'


Yeh good advice - altho' most of us are of course just busy paying school fees and mortgages... Most of the blisses I can think of are distinctly non-revenue-generating Tongue which is I think where that concept rather breaks down lol.

Peace

Mike

ps thanks for the Harpur reference - I will check him out.
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« Reply #3 on: 06 June 2006 »

That's what the 'world' would have us believe, Mike. It's a lie.
I have not been 'employed' for over a year now and have been late with my rent only once. Nor have I gone hungry once, in that time. the meds I am taking cost lots of money, but I have never had to pay for them, myself, and have never missed a dosage!

I have no idea where my next month's rent will come from, but I am in trust, and follow my bliss joyfully, that way.

I refuse to accept or apply for social services- I will not live in 'poverty consciousness'-

If you follow your bliss with trust and faith, what you need will come with no extra effort.

If we believe the opposite of what the majority believes; we can never go 'wrong.' wink

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The Power of Myth - Joseph Campbell
« Reply #4 on: 06 June 2006 »

Well I am quite keen to be able to personally believe that re financial abundance my friend... and in fact Padma from these parts has just taken 6mts off to go to Spain to build a Yurt after his health crisis and has no idea where the next Euro will come from...

...I guess in my case its just that the universe doesn't seem to consider posting drivel all over the net a sufficient reason to reward me in return  wink

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If you follow your bliss with trust and faith, what you need will come with no extra effort.


However more broadly in terms of non-financial abundance sure I always believe that "received wisdom" is more often than not oxymoronic lol and that in the above quote - in a non bank manager context - that that is what the universe is providing for me right now in many ways.

May abundance continue to be yours and congratulations for avoiding the support culture although I hope if you ever need it pride will not block the way to when needs must...  :?

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The Power of Myth - Joseph Campbell
« Reply #5 on: 06 June 2006 »

Lightlizard, I like it but it seems to take a lot of courage (or necessity) to "jump off the cliff".

Mike,



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I guess in my case its just that the universe doesn't seem to consider posting drivel all over the net a sufficient reason to reward me in return


See now this might just be an example of wrong looking. From my perspective you have done a great thing by starting and perservering with this baby, and you were following your heart. You also seem to have been rewarded by meeting a great bunch of people, and having your heart and mind opened to new things. What more could you ask for.  Smiley

But it is a dilemma isn't it. Am I doing this [whatever it is] for myself, humanity or to keep my wife and kids in the manner to which they have become accustomed? However, I was talking to a friend the other day who was beating himself up for not being a good father even though he felt he was doing his best. I asked him what kind of message that was sending his kids - that he was telling someone (himself) that not even their best was good enough.  rolleyes

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namaskar!
« Reply #6 on: 06 June 2006 »

Blissings Barry. Trust is not easily come by in this world, indeed!

But, I have found great truth in the saying of Richard Bach, and it's implications...

We must have enough trust (faith)

'To Jump off the edge of the precipice
and build our wings
on the way down'  :mrgreen:

We are not 'conditioned' to follow this path, in our culture(s) today, which are founded on  the fear of 'not having enough' (society; competiton, comparing ourselves to others..etc..) and guilt, (religion).

So, a great deal of 'de-conditioning' is required.

Too often, we focus on what we DON'T have and the 'unpleasant' aspects of life.
This just keeps the ball rolling and crushing our dreams.

When we can be aware of just how great we have it and find a state
of Gratitude to dwell within....our world, THE world(s) change drastically-
and Joyously!

'As above; so below-
As below; so above'
-The Kybalion

May ALL Beings Feel the Healing Light of LOVE!

~LL~
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The Power of Myth - Joseph Campbell
« Reply #7 on: 06 June 2006 »

Lightlizard,

Yes, guilt doesn't work in my experience. Remorse makes more sense. That is other focussed. Guilt seems to be always "I" focussed.

Thanksgiving/gratitude has been a common theme I have come across in many groups/people who make things happen. I did a week long camp with a student of Tom Brown Jr.. He talked about techniques, skills, philosophy and we all had a great and illuminating time. He also said that if he had to pick one thing to focus on it would be Thanksgiving as everything else depends on it.

I have taken a lot of risks in my life - some good, some bad. I agree that when I have had to fly - either through a decision or necessity - "wings" have always appeared. Sometimes feels like luck but as Gary Player said in answer to a question about the luck he had had in bunkers in a US Open - "Yes, and the more I practice the luckier I get".

And if I can't always hold on to doing this stuff for myself I know it is an example I want to set my kids.  Smiley (I find kids come in really useful for this kind of thing  Smiley ).

De-conditioning is interesting isn't it. Different to re-conditioning. Getting rid of something - which takes time and attention - and not just replacing it with something else. I watched an Ekhardt Tolle DVD recently where he talks about the Self as a basket that we like to fill up with things. Just about slowly emptying the basket.

There is some fascinating stuff going on in neuropsychology at the moment. The bringing to life of conditioning that takes place in the more ancient parts of the brain. The parts that auto-regulate our body and brain, well below conscious awareness (in fact it gets nowhere near the left hemisphere. We can become afraid of ourselves to the extent where we cut off from our body, and by extension our direct links to the rest of the universe.

Currently re-linking to y'all and wishing you all peace and serenity,

Barry
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« Reply #8 on: 06 June 2006 »

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The Power of Myth - Joseph Campbell
« Reply #9 on: 07 June 2006 »

Barry some wise words (you been watching all your old David Carradine Grasshopper collection again?  Tongue ) - I stand corrected. Re gratitude did you see http://ttem.iphorum.com/topic/the-power-of-gratitude-and-a-great-resource-site-386.html?

Lightlizard - plenty of wise words Grin and thank you for setting an example for the rest of us that this philosophy of life can indeed deliver.

Follow your bliss... great advice I guess - esp if one considers the alternative of not following one's bliss...  wink

peace&love

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